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Rmg

"Grab him by the throat"? A threat. We are also the bully at heart, as is all mankind. The Divorces, adulteries, promiscuiries and unbridled lies, rage, slanders, have all deeply wounded those recipients of such moral cowardice. We all have partaken, we have no right to lunge for throats. Trump told the truth about Clinton and not one progressive is liking what they see unfolding. America does not want a globalist at this time, they don't want a globalist owned Clinton. Figured I'd lean this way and venture a slight hint of defense for Trumps message since not one limp criticism actually exists in the post toward the other candidate. Sad, but not surprised. Loyalists die hard. Once again that bias the flows through all our veins. Wow

erik

A word to RMG: There's a difference between the urge to grab someone's throat and actually doing so. Just as there's a difference between someone wishing they could avoid taxes and an actual tax cheat.

Rmg

According to our president, words matter, he who at one time said bring a gun to a knife fight or get in their faces etc. I would suggest as I have just completed nearly 5 hours watching the complete testimony of James Comey on the 28th of September, after watching all of it carefully, for any person not to spend even one sentence on the vast smoke and mirrors and immunity agreements and pleadings of the fifth amendment and the meetings on the tarmac's but rather to go after Trump being a bully? Really? Is that what this is come to? Not one comment at all I don't think ever of a negative nature towards the Secretary . according to what I've heard this may be why some individuals no longer visit or comment on your posts. I'm going on record saying the Bush administration possibly even bush himself if he knew about Falluja if he knew about the yellow cake report, is a war criminal. How refreshing it would be to see you go fullbore throttle on any liberal who ever lived on earth. Enjoy the read but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to join my associates it's way too far to the left and never even ventures to the middle. But we all still love you man. Salute

roger german

Randy, thanks again for the comments and critique. And Erik for your response, as that is the tack I would take on that one. I thought for a while on how to respond to the debate, but I could think of nothing positive to say about Trump. And yes, perhaps it's my bias. He said plenty negative about Hillary, and I wasn't intending to revisit all that, which is why I appended the fact check sites. So much of what Trump said just was not true, and I know that's the prevue of politicians, but he doesn't seem to even know what IS true. He DID defend the initial invasion of Iraq. He won't admit it, but it's on tape. It would be helpful to me if he would at least have the courage to admit his own errors. Hillary has at least done that. They didn't get in to the whole email controversy much, so I didn't get into it much. There's plenty there that doesn't pass the smell test. I noticed in your comments you didn't bring up any negative about Trump…which seemed to be your main problem with my post. I think she comported herself well in the debate, and yes, I still think Trump acted the bully, as he has shown is pretty much the way he lives his life. It works for him; it does not work for me. It's not something I think we need in a world leader; we don't need a Putin here, even if Trump admires his leadership style. You wrote it would be refreshing to go full bore on any liberal who ever lived on earth. I have differences with many liberals, with many progressives, with many conservatives, as too, I have areas of agreement. I stated before, I'm no fan of Hillary's hawkish foreign policy, I think her handling of the email flap was unprofessional at least, and possibly criminal, but she has not been convicted of the crime. We do at least in theory follow the rule of law here, and when it works it is better than most methods of dispute resolution that have come before. I'm a fan of mediation, and it is a growing field, but yet no challenge to the oppositional field of law.
But I do appreciate you taking the time to read and comment…the only way to sharpen my own ideas is to grind them against equally hardened steel. Sometimes they become sharper, sometimes dull. But the process is worth the effort.

Rmc

You know Roger, there's always a negative and a positive pole on every battery isn't there? So there's no vitriol here between us I first want to say that in these are complex matters and while both of these candidates are very flawed, there is only one who is in my opinion guilty of crimes, So let's watch as it all plays out, neither one of them are my favorites but it is what it is. And just a passing comment for Erik, who I greatly respect would be this. In this very politically correct environment in which we live today, even making a passing comment in a written blog narrative about wanting to grab someone by the throat, in the liberal world today,it would be poison to even make such an utterance, remember what happened to Sarah Palin when she talked about the crosshairs, and there are many other examples, so we cannot pass a comment like that off in today's politically charged climate as being an innocent and innocuous reference. I don't believe in political correctness, but to the extent that you fellas may, in politically correct circles a comment like that would be absolutely disastrous, And of course if Trump had made that comment about Hillary it would not be innocuous at all it would be vicious, he would be pushed to apologize publicly for it, I think you both know that, so of course there's always going to be a double standard and people making comments like that are always going to immediately relegate them to something innocent and harmless, and there full circle back again to the root of our bias. Being a human being with such complex failures of our own probably should limit our use of the language in that way. Salute to both of you guys, in the very best to you always. God bless you

roger german

I agree again with most of what you wrote there Randy, but the frustrating thing is, it seems Trump not only can get away with comments like that, he seems to gain ground when he does. March 2016, "The guards are being very gently with him. I'd like to punch him in the face." Jan 2016 "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose voters." On Carly Fiarona, "Look at that face. How could you vote for that!" On Megyn Kelly, "She had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of wherever."
What I wrote was mild in comparison to a whole slew of Trump insults and innuendos, yet he gets a pass, and you think I'm out of line. I've always thought that "political correctness" was just a cover for not wanting to have difficult conversations. It softened up the edges of things that were just wrong. Using the term 'nigger' is offensive for different reasons than using the term 'fuck,' but they are both offensive to people, both liberals and conservatives. Writing that I wanted to reach in and grab Trump by the throat is similar as a metaphor, but different in the weight of its effect. I write a blog read by you, my Mother and my son…and possibly a few others…Trump was speaking in front of thousands of people in various states of heightened emotion, and he's running for president. Now, he probably did want to punch the protester in the face. But that's not what the leader of the free world should be articulating to those following his lead. Which is why I have a problem with him as leader of the free world.

Rmc

Cool. You support the Clinton purity machine, I get it, But I stand with my last post. In today's climate many would call what you said way out of bounds just exactly like a Trump comment. But any, not knowing you would wonder if you have a violent temper. That would be a normal response. You off the hook, okay,, so is Trump, so is Clinton, so is Obama, so is Bush. Trump is as lighthearted about his comment as you are yours. Metaphor or not, and I knew you'd take the metaphor route of self defense, but can't have it both ways. In today's scene, created by progressives I might add, what you said still invokes violence. May even to some really PC people evoke an allusion to strangling. What you said is no issue at all for me because I know how you meant it, others are not that generous. The PC word police I'm quite sure would have your defense for lunch. You libs wanted this PC world, and the rules are getting more rigid all the time. Throat grabbing? A very perceptible death line for many many people. At Michigan U, there is a, gender Gender pronoun police squad ( not actually called that) who now have installed Regs for pronoun references to those who don't know who, or what they are, break the appropriate pronoun rule, and you're nearly burned to a crisp with corrective stares from faculty and student body, so crossing lines is a PC no no. Wanting to grab a person around the place they breath to survive, is to many equivalent to a threat or wish of deadly force. I'd probably change the word if I wrote it publicly, but that's me, and unless a thousand readers are waiting with baited breath, ready to post your comments on social media, it's no big deal. Ok,that's it for me on this one, that's my last word, you can close it up with yours. Best

roger german

One more, if you have time Randy. You never did get back to me on Trump's many, many violent, rasict, misogynistic statements. If you want to PC police me on my comment, so be it. But to be fair, you then have to police Trump. That was my point. And no one seems to be doing it.

Rmc

Rog- I said my last word was given last time, but I guess I lied. I totally agree with you, Trump is not presidential, and the things he says are offensive, I've never felt otherwise. This is not about him it's about you, it's specifically about your comment as one who strives to be an antithesis to offensive language that many can construe with a violent disposition in our politically correct world. You are a mediator? Should a mediator ever say such a thing? In the world we live in, anybody who says that should apologize, whether or not five people here at or 5000, whether it is me,or you, or Trump or any human being. That is where we are, and so mitigating the remarks will never make them completely go away, for the rest of his life even if his comments were made in jest, they will still be there, just as yours are will be, and he to my knowledge has not apologized for any of them, just as you havent, again, I don't take offense to either of you. I am trying to play devils advocate here for the politically correct climate we now exist in, and in that climate you are as guilty as he is, for remark that is precisely what would've come out of trumps mouth . No that is my final word on it I promise. Miss you bro, wish we could grab a couple guitars and a couple margaritas like the old days. You know it's tougher than hell trying to be politically correct today because you can step outside the line without even realizing it. By the way my prediction for the election? Get used to saying madam President !

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